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Hi everyone, this is the first thread for the Vi DAC. Please post thoughts, comments, questions, screenshots, etc. in here. We will be attending to these forums now instead of the IGG pages due to ease of use for both LHL and backers. 


Same rules as before: professional-esque discussion over the campaign and LHL is welcome. Personal attacks will not be tolerated and will be deleted. Profanity: try to keep it PG, please. 


There is no "quote" function on the forum but I am working with Freshdesk support to see if there is a workaround. But this will be infinitely better than the old system at IGG where there was no ability to edit posts, a character count, no way to post screens, etc. 


We look forward to hearing from you around the forums! 


- Jarek


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I posted this 2 months ago but it apparently didn't go through so I am posting again...


I think that is going to be hard to do Robert. Consider the following taken directly off Indiegogo:

 

                                                                        Funds collected

Campaign                         Backers               when campaign closed                 % Funded

 

Geek Wave:                     ~9600                  $1,665,254                                     3478% on July 13, 2014

Geek Wave #2:                ~800                    $190,000                                         148% of $128,000

Geek Pulse DAC:             ~13,400              $3,001,353                                     3089% on Dec 28, 2013

Geek Pulse #2:                 ~550                    $103,527                                         20705% of $500 fixed goal

Pulse Analog:                   ~260                    $93,966                                           1649% on Oct 1, 2015

Vi DAC:                              ~1150                  $283,406                                        2852% on March 16, 2015

 

Total Reported funds contributed: $5,629,225

 

These numbers may not reflect all of the perks, direct invoices, etc. which may have taken place after the campaigns closed. Even with overlap, that’s 20,000+ backers from all over the world. I have a hard time believing that ~20k backers contributing ~5.6M are going to let all this just go. 

 

I agree with you about these products becoming “legacy”. I am fortunate in that I have the ability to move on (and I have, substituting new products which I have purchased to take the place of these “potential products” which may or may not ever show up). But while you and I may be able to tap out and take the loss as a poor investment opportunity, hard to imagine that many others will feel the same…again, nor should they.

 

I think if the communication were better and consisted of something other than teases like the September 5, 2018 update (noted above by John Siegel):

 

“We have the new Vi chassis design ready…we will post the photo of the new chassis once we receive it. It should be in three weeks.”

 

Promise unkept. Rather than update again on Sept 26 letting people know what’s happening, nothing happens.

 

In the last year regarding just Vi DAC, there have been 7 updates, and many updates address the chassis or Mr. Ho’s world travels. All tease, no meat, irregularly irregular positive reinforcement (the most addictive kind, just like gambling). When you click on the campaign Facebook links for Mr. Ho, you get https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/660315531/ which no longer exists. Same for https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/110875392609110/ . There is a twitter (https://twitter.com/geekbylhlabs) who’s last meaningful post was from Feb of 2017. Talk about a ruined reputation. 


(note: extra part deleted for encouragement of harassment towards journalists and LHL employees and associates)

(second note: second deletion. discussion of legal action towards LHL is not permitted on this site)


Thanks John Markley for your post.   A fundamental question that all backers should be asking is.....Why after all this time does Customer Service feel compelled to submit the #89 update dated 6/24/19?  Possible reasons to consider: 1) They are being sincere and it is a legitimate update, 2) They are concerned about recent events that could lead to negative (possibly legal) repercussions for LH Labs, 3) They are attempting to reverse the negative reputation they created in the industry so that they can resurrect the LH brand, 4) They want to go "back to the well" for another go-round to secure more "seed money" from the population of backers who have already invested in their campaigns, and 5) They are trying to bide time by stalling because they recognize that their past is catching up with them and they need to leave town. 


I'm sure I may have missed some other reasons.  But, you get the point.

New Update: We have two production photos of the Vi DAC Tube chassis with explanations:


https://support.lhlabs.com/a/solutions/articles/13000068171-vi-dac-tube-update-9-17 

Any more updates other than pictures of a test assembly?


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I would appreciate someone keeping me posted on what's going on with LH Labs and our products...I have purchased/supported a number of their products and have not gotten anything in return...Can anyone tell me anything please?  Thanks in advance...


Unfortunately, Laurie, they, even Jarek a.k.a. Stuck Limo, have gone silent.  We will get nothing as it appears as if the Statute of Limitations will expire before we get what we gave our hard earned money for.  Of course that's speculation, but the odds are extremely low that we will ever see any product produced.  

i'm afraid that I have to agree with the last post.  The likelihood that we will see any product is extremely low at this point.  I'm sure that they have burned through all or most of the crowd-sourced funds and are barely scraping by.   I'm still waiting on a Source, an LPS4 and a Vi Tube DAC SE which I doubt that I will ever see.  It's really too bad because the two Pulse DACs that I bought (and received) were really very good.  Tired of waiting, I've since given up and moved on.  It's too bad that these lovely Pulse DACs will hav almost zero value on the resale market - who in their right mind would pay what they're actually worth, in terms of sound quality, when LH Labs has such a deservedly low reputation?  It's really sad, because Larry designs a nice DAC.  I would suggest that someone start a class-action lawsuit (I can't because I'm not in California) but I doubt that it would be fruitful (I think that LH Labs is a bloodless stone) and would just wast more money.  I don't think that this is a case of outright fraud.  I think that Larry is very well intentioned but a really terrible business man.  It's too bad that Indiegogo washes their hands of debacles like this, there should be more accountability on their end.   This whole experience has really soured me on participating in any other crowd-sourced projects.  I wouldn't put any more $ into any project than I'm willing to lose.  Caveat emptor.

hello. I'm still waiting for my ultimate tube VI dac.  how about you guys and gals. any news regarding shipping ?

I have moved on since some time now.

Even received a second DAC to try.

I do not care much anymore ...

Lucky you Jeff. I would like to have a chance to actually try it out at least.

I should have mentioned that my DACs are not LHlabs.

Guys, I lost all hope in LH Labs finally and purchased a Matrix Audio Element X.  If you ever get a chance to hear one of these, do not pass it up.  I love it.   


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